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 Post subject: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:17 pm 
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Reports coming out of PNG that this earthquake is the strongest felt in living memory. What do other ex-Kiaps think?
We experienced a 7.1 at Buka which was pretty bad, but 7.5 in the highlands, especially in mountainous limestone country, sounds devastating.
Have any of you experienced a 7.5 guria in the highlands? Surely the damage would be well documented but I haven't found anything so far. All the big ones listed (8 and over) on https://earthquaketrack.com are around the coast.

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:57 pm 
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I remember the guria in 1970 that half flattened Madang at 3 minutes past 4 in the morning. It arrived about 10 minutes after 4 am in Pindiu and damn near through me out of bed. I think that one was about 6.3 or 4.

Some of the photos available so far seem to look like it has been fairly severe in the Highlands.

No real response from DFAT as yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:09 pm 
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With family living in PNG have often resorted to USGS for quake info.
Just had look at historical item on Porgera one at https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes ... ...........
"Papua New Guinea experiences a high rate of seismic activity, with 23 other events of M 6+ occurring within 250 km of the February 25, 2018 earthquake over the preceding century. The closest of these was a M 6.2 earthquake in August 1993, about 17km to the north of today's earthquake. The largest was a M 7.2 event in June 1986, 230 km to the north-northeast on or near the Australia:Pacific plate boundary in the region. With the exception of a M 7.5 earthquake at intermediate depth (186 km) in eastern Papua New Guinea in February 1963 (which occurred on the subduction zone at depth), all prior M 7.5+ earthquakes in this region have been associated with the shallow subduction zone plate boundaries in northern New Guinea. The vast majority of moderate-to-large earthquakes in this region are not known to have caused significant damage or casualties, though few have been as large as today's earthquake. A M 7.1 earthquake in June 1976, 340 km to the northeast of this event, resulted in over 400 shaking related deaths. Landsliding also caused a significant number of additional fatalities in that event."
As you can see this takes all these away from Highlands zone but one of their maps shows quite large cluster among the mountains of 4 and above but no bigun like this week. Apparently the tremors of a 5 is not in proportion to a 4 and so on.
Never forgot my first one at Taskul Patrol Post. Was in the 3 roomed fibro-walled building set on narrow steel pipes. Suddenly started to shake badly and i wondered if king-kong was walking up the narrow flight of steps. The only guy with me was a Tolai clerk and he mumbled an unknown word to me.."Guria" which he quickly translated and we got out -fast! Some water tanks fell over and shops in Kavieng saw some damage as bottles feel of shelves etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:11 pm 
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sorry i manged to atleast send picture but too large
Getting there said the snail....


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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:04 pm 
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Paul Oates wrote:
I remember the guria in 1970 that half flattened Madang at 3 minutes past 4 in the morning. It arrived about 10 minutes after 4 am in Pindiu and damn near through me out of bed. I think that one was about 6.3 or 4.

Some of the photos available so far seem to look like it has been fairly severe in the Highlands.

No real response from DFAT as yet.


I approached Julie Bishop via Twitter about it AM on 28th, two days after the event. Soon after DFAT issued this media release.
https://foreignminister.gov.au/releases/Pages/2018/jb_mr_180228.aspx
Certainly playing it down but images coming through on Facebook and Twitter show widespread extreme damage. The death toll will be high once remote areas are contacted and the extent of the damage is ascertained.

You just have to see what happened to the 3200 m long Komo airstrip, built at a (reported) cost of $2.3 billion and allowing giant Russian Antonov An-124 aircraft to bring in equipment to Exxon, it is split almost from end to end.
Ironically PNG Govt signed an agreement between ExxonMobil PNG Limited and National Airports Corporation Limited in 2015 to permit emergency services to use the strip for emergency relief.
https://reliefweb.int/report/papua-new-guinea/komo-airfield-be-made-available-commercial-and-disaster-relief-operations
They perhaps didn't think through the possibility of the strip being wiped out by a guria which might present the biggest natural disaster the area has ever seen.

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:13 pm 
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Arthur Williams wrote:
sorry i manged to atleast send picture but too large
Getting there said the snail....

Arthur
I haven't heard of a 7.5 guria in the central highlands before. Can't find anything in the various databases.
Common enough around the coast.

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:26 pm 
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Just a few images of quake pathway through Komo.
Tried to post a video but couldn't.
Cheers,
John
Have lots more.


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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
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John Hocknull wrote:
Just a few images of quake pathway through Komo.
Tried to post a video but couldn't.
Cheers,
John
Have lots more.

Thanks John

Please keep posting and let us know the source. I want to put a few on Twitter to try to stir up some action amongst the vast majority of Australians who haven't heard of it yet, don't care, or aren't even aware PNG is our closest neighbour.

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:25 pm 
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More pics and a video can be seen at https://youtu.be/kNZ2s-PeQXE


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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:18 pm 
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Some information is getting into Australian Press.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania ... 4z2a7.html

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:47 pm 
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Wow some amazing pictures that so much expand our idea of what has happened from words in press. Thanks John

Very quiet from Porgera mine though they do say no injuries. Wouldn't want to be underground miner when a quake strikes and of course after shock are quite big too.

See No news out of Kopiago guess Digicell have not repaired their towers their.

Budget blowing out is an understatement! Will APEC?


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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:58 pm 
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Wonder of if Hegigio Pipeline Bridge is still standing
An amazing construction and well worth seeing at http://www.highestbridges.com/wiki/inde ... ine_Bridge


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:11 pm 
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Hi Arthur,

For re-sizing of photos refer: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1690

Re Hegigio Bridge, I'm pretty sure it is still standing and would have been engineered accordingly, I think I would have heard on the seismic grapevine otherwise anyhow I was fortunate to be employed as a Logistics Manager (one of many as it was a manifold project) on this project commonly known as the SEM (South East Mananda) pipeline project, seconded from seismic with a few other ex kiaps & a didiman.

Peter

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Glad I wasn't a rigger .......

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 Post subject: Re: Highlands guria
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:09 pm 
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The real tragedy of an event like this was evidenced to me during an early 1970's HofA election patrol in the ranges inland from Madang (Adelbert?). It was a tough patrol and likely retribution by District Office for the job I had touring the Region in LG Training. Thanks Bob Brown? My trials were nothing like the difficulties for the people, caused by the earthquakes.

Like many I experienced the extensive earthquakes in Madang. Quite the talk of the town. The full impact really did not become apparent until I walked those hills for a couple of weeks and have a lasting memory of the damage inflicted by landslides to the gardens, principal food source for the people.

There was genuine hardship and that will be a real feature and consequence of this most recent event. I suspect the local government will not be in a position to give significant meaningful aid and the Australian government has real stuff to worry about - the love life of our recent past Deputy PM!!

Throughout my patrol the People really did not have food to eat and was the main topic of interest , elections notwithstanding. In those days I suspect we did little as an Administration to alleviate the situation. I would like to think the lack of action was driven by lack of resources. I must take the time to look up my Patrol Report, if available, and the then feed back from District HQ. At the time I was with Regional Local Government so I would have had little to do with the follow up. Fellow contributors may have more to add to follow up action at the time?

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